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由于知乎最近的（友善度）维护，现在不能再答案中放图了。我姑且空口白牙拿更新日志出来随便聊聊。

In 1444 Dai Viet is a newly independent nation, having won its sovereignty in a bloody war against the occupying Ming Chinese forces through the efforts of Vietnamese national hero Lê Loi. Early campaigns against Champa began a centuries-spanning process of Vietnamese expansion southwards. Dai Viet is now ruled by Lê Loi’s infant grandson Bang Co, though true power resides with Queen Regent Nguyen Thi Anh and Trinh Kha (a 2/3/5/1 General). For all the promise of the early Lê dynasty, the seeds of its undoing were already present; the immense power that would be hoarded by the Nguyen, Trinh, and Mac families would divide the nation multiple times throughout our period.

1444年的大越是一个新近独立的国家，在越南民族英雄黎利的努力下，越南人通过一场血腥的战争从中国明军手里赢得了自己的独立。但这个新生的国家到了黎利孙子的手里，就已经陷入了某种权力倾轧的状态。阮家、郑家和莫家积累的强大影响力撕裂了这个国家。

Dai Viet begins with a new generic Estate Privilege for the Nobility called Control of the Army. This privilege greatly increases Nobility influence, increases Leader Cost, adds additional Nobility influence whenever you recruit a leader, and adds a little monthly Army Tradition (it’s not all bad). The Control the Army mission requires you to revoke this privilege while building to 100% of your land force limit.

The Curtail the Nobility mission requires reducing the influence of the Nobility estate while holding at least 50% Crown Land.

The Restore Examinations mission refers to the Confucian examination system employed by China, Vietnam, and Korea throughout various points of their respective histories. State officials must complete a series of examinations that test their knowledge of Confucian literature and statecraft before they can assume office, a system that was at least theoretically meritocratic as the examinations were open to all. You must enact The Examination System government reform (shown below) while also employing any 3 advisors without running a deficit.

Prevent Division simply requires you to own Dai Viet’s core territories, have 2 stability, and for neither Tonkin nor Annam to exist. Completing this mission prevents the Northern and Southern Dynasties disaster from ever happening, and rewards -10% Stability Cost Modifier for the rest of the game.

大越首先为贵族提供了一个新的泛用阶层特权，名为“独断军务”。这个特权大大增加了贵族的影响力，增加了将领征召成本，每当你招募一个将领时，就会增加贵族阶层额外的影响力，并增加一点点每月的陆军传统（也不全是坏事）。独断军务任务需要你在建设到100%陆军上限的时候撤销这个特权。

缩减贵族任务需要在持有至少50%皇冠领地的同时，降低贵族阶层的影响力。

恢复考试任务指的是中国、越南、朝鲜在各自历史的不同时期采用的儒家考试制度。国家官员必须完成一系列的考试，测试他们对儒家文学和国学知识的掌握程度，然后才能上任，这种制度至少在理论上是任人唯贤的，因为考试是面向所有人的。你必须颁布《考试制度》政府改革（如下图所示，假装有图），同时还必须在不亏损的情况下雇佣任意3个顾问。

“防止分裂”只要求你拥有大越的核心领土，拥有正稳定两点，而且东京和安南国都不存在。完成这个任务可以防止南北朝灾难的发生，并在游戏剩余时间内奖励-10%的稳定成本修正。

吐槽：什么时候才能给朝鲜也搞个改革两班贵族的任务树？独断军务任务有种条顿骑士团普鲁士联盟任务的感觉。而且考试系统任务确实体现了东亚国家科举制度的独特性，夸！

I mentioned The Examination System above, which is a new government reform that increases your Advisor Pool by 1 and reduces Nobility Influence by 10%. This reform is available to any nation that either has the Celestial Empire or Confucian Bureaucracy reform. Confucian Bureaucracy is yet another new government reform, initially granted to both Dai Viet and Korea in 1444. This reform reduces your Advisor Costs by 10% and is available to nations that have either Confucian religion or Vietnamese primary culture. Dai Viet's government had more in common with Chinese administrations than with the mandala-style governments of the rest of South-East Asia, while characterizing Korea's government as an "Autocracy" felt inadequate; the Confucian Bureaucracy reform kills two birds with one stone in this sense.

我在上面提到了“考试系统”，这是一项新的政府改革，可以为你增加一个额外的备选顾问，减少贵族影响力10%。这项改革适用于任何拥有天朝或儒家官僚制改革的国家。儒家官僚制是另一个新的政府改革，最初在1444年给予大越和朝鲜。这项改革降低了10%的顾问成本，并且适用于拥有儒家宗教或越南主要文化的国家。大越的政府与中国的行政机构有更多的共同点，不是东南亚其他国家的曼陀罗式政府，同时把朝鲜的政府定性为 "专制君主制"感觉不恰当，儒家官僚制改革在设定东方国家政体的问题上一石二鸟。

吐槽：在越南民族英雄黎利儿子，即黎朝太宗统治的八年里，他在整个越南都推行了丧心病狂级别的汉化运动。由百度百科：

黎太祖建立“大越”后，即命阮廌定冠服制，未及施行。黎太宗时又重定，于是安南于衣冠制度粲然大备。《大越史记 本纪 实录卷二》： 绍平四年（1437）五月，初太祖时，命阮荐定冠服制，未及施行。至是，梁登上书略陈曰：夫礼有大朝常朝，如郊天、告庙、圣节、正旦，则行大朝礼；皇帝服衮冕，升宝座，百官具朝服朝冠，如初一日十五日，则皇帝御黄袍冲天冠，升宝座，百官具公服幞头。常朝，皇帝御黄袍，冲天冠，升金台，百官著常服圆领乌纱帽。……书奏，帝又命登定之，登因进冠服，制乐器。大抵登与廌（阮廌）所定多不合，帝从登议，卒行之。
黎朝仿明朝制度在中央、地方广设学校，实行科举，以程、朱为标准。黎太宗不仅实行科举取士，而且刊刻《四书大全》，使程、朱理学在越南日趋兴隆。1437年，黎太宗考试书算分为三场，首默写古文，次真草书，次算法。结果，中试六百九十人，补内外各衙门属。

吐槽：因此，我认为这个设定是非常恰当且有趣的。当时的越南人和中国人实际上差别可能还没有朝鲜人与中国人差别那么大，明军之所以在越南遭到如此顽强的抵抗，主要原因还是明军将领没能处理好与当地士绅的关系，就连黎利本来都愿意效忠明庭，却遭到各种羞辱与盘剥，才发动蓝山起义的。P社能注意到这点真的非常棒。

吐槽：（关于朝鲜）朝鲜那套儒家制度说白了就是两班贵族搞出来的变相种姓制。我大明虽然军籍匠籍比较低贱，但好歹不至于被划拉成“贱民”，连科举考试都受影响。就算使用儒家官僚制去定义朝鲜也不是特别恰当的，不过这已经比之前的“专制君主制”要好了。

On the topic of culture, I’ve altered the culture group setup in the region since I last talked about it. The Tai group contains countries that could sensibly form the nation of Siam, and since Siam is very much a focus for the update and an “historical winner” of the period it feels appropriate for them to have a strong culture group. Northern Thai is back but renamed to Khon Muang. Khmer is left on its own, again appropriate given that this period is very much a dark age for Khmer civilization. The Vietnamese culture, on the other hand, has been “buffed” by moving it into the Chinese group. This allows Dai Viet to hold the Mandate of Heaven without penalty and eases expansion into China on the way to achieving that goal. Miao is now in the Tibetan group, which was done less because it really fits into that group and more to move it out of the Chinese group. Cham has been returned to the Malay group, which gives it access to the Malay mission tree in addition to its own unique mission branches, which you can see below.

关于文化的话题，自从我上次说过之后，我已经改变了该地区的文化组设置。泰族组包含了可以合理组成暹罗国的国家，由于暹罗是更新的重点，也是这个时期的 "历史赢家"，所以我们认为他们有一个比较强大的文化组是合适的。北泰又回来了，不过改名为Khon Muang。高棉则是单独留下，同样考虑到这一时期是高棉文明非常黑暗的时代，所以也很合适。而越南文化则被 "洗白 "（注：因为中国文化组的颜色在游戏里就是白色，这里只是一个小双关）了，将其移入中国文化组。这样一来，大越就可以不受惩罚地掌握天命，并在实现这一目标的过程中更为轻易地完成对中国的扩张。苗族现在归入藏族组，这样做的原因不是它真的适合这个组，更多的只是为了将它移出中国组。占文化已经回到了马来组，这让它除了有自己独特的任务分支外，还可以进入马来任务树，大家可以看下图。（假装有图，这个图揭示了占婆国的任务树）

吐槽：以前玩大越的时候总是吐槽，就连满洲和朝鲜都能入关，凭什么我们大越不能入平南关？没想到P社真的愿意来一把“少数民族北上”了。