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战锤40k的人类帝国放在其他作品里算是什么样的反派啊? 第1页

  

user avatar   zhang-san-88-60 网友的相关建议: 
      

GW设计的人类帝国是人类所能想象出来的最黑暗、最残暴的政权,而GW的主要财源之一,就是给这个政权构思“神话传说”和“英雄传说”。就像大粪会引来苍蝇一样,充斥着“种族灭绝”和“极端排外”的战锤40K世界观,必然会引来大批法西斯分子。

去年11月初,在西班牙最大的战锤赛事之一GT Talavera上,就出现了这样一幕:一个化名“奥地利画家”(Pintor Austríaco)的参赛者,公然佩戴法西斯标志参赛[1]

他的对手拒绝与他对阵,却被赛事组织者判决出局。组织者的理由是:在西班牙,单纯佩戴新纳粹标志并不违法[2]

这件事闹大以后,GW忙不迭地发表声明:《帝国是由仇恨推动的。但战锤不是》[3]。里面有句话很有意思:

如果你……佩戴现实中的仇恨团体的标志,你将会被劝离。我们不会让你参加。我们不想赚你的钱。我们不会让你加入战锤社区。
If you ... wearing the symbols of real-world hate groups, you will be asked to leave.We won’t let you participate. We don’t want your money. We don’t want you in the Warhammer community.

这个声明简直虚伪至极,长年以来,GW就是靠给人类帝国这个极端仇外、把种族灭绝当饭吃的政权构思英雄故事和神话传说来赚钱的,俗话说物以类聚人以群分,会被这种世界观吸引的玩家,倾向法西斯主义的比例自然会特别高。GW自然也心知肚明。倒不如说,直到现在才有这种事曝光,这才值得奇怪。

说白了,这么多年来你都是靠贩卖仇恨赚钱的,这下说自己反对仇恨,骗谁呢?

就像这副漫画说的一样:

参考

  1. ^ https://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2021/11/el-regresoa-que.html
  2. ^ https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/warhammer-40000-ninth-edition/news/warhammer-40k-gt-talavera-nazi-statement
  3. ^ https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

user avatar   zynmsl-74 网友的相关建议: 
      

星战:比遇战疯人屑几百倍

漫威:比终极宇宙屑几百倍

DC:比天启星屑几百倍

锤4万的整体基调就是这个银河整一个巨型索多玛,全都该天火焚豚……


user avatar   an-ji-la-qi-ge-le-39 网友的相关建议: 
      

被乱杀的炮灰反派。被打死的时候还要被踩在尸体上嘲笑,观众齐声欢呼“好死”,声音堪比隔壁的孤泳者合唱。

人类弟国的技术,工业,生活水平已经有各种各样的小说和漫画提过了,总结一下就是人类的生命只是马桶佬的货币,而他对此并不在意。

这种穷凶极恶又虚弱无比的反派,即使在40K宇宙里也是和混沌比肩的败类中的败类,如果出现一个稍微正常的宇宙里,唯一的下场就是被赶回剃刀沼泽珍稀动物保护区,然后把马桶佬的干尸挂在博物馆里示众铭牌上写着“神,是虚伪的”。

恶徒的特点之一是,越是穷途末路就越是疯狂,人类帝国从30K到40K一天点变得越来越魔怔也是人类这个种族越来越接近药丸的外在表现。对于这种注定失败的愚者,只有疯狂才能压制反抗,只有迷信才能对抗绝望。而取胜的办法尽管存在(此处指向虚无力场矩阵),却不是他们的水平能企及的。弟国没有被写死的唯一原因是因为自己fw就放弃苟延残喘太过负能量,仅此而已。

至于仅仅只是因为弟国看起来像人类就认为弟国的正当性高于其他种族的锤小丑,这套变种亚伯拉罕一神教的核心理论早在100多年前就被叔本华和尼采喷烂了,现在才入教未免太晚了点。

锤小丑这种半吊子Fxs不管支持还是反抗永远都停留在嘴上,属实是可悲


user avatar   da-jiang-you-42-43 网友的相关建议: 
      

星战超光速航行飞船普及率几乎等于货车。原力存在银河系每个个体体内(所有个体体内都有原力,指数高的是原力敏感者),偏斜护盾跟防弹衣一样普及。银河帝国只能调动20%的生产力三年产出的战舰数量可以爆了人类帝国20年战舰总和还不止。

不仅如此星战世界某种程度上已经解决了智械危机。

以上还是自费武功1000年后的技术水平。


user avatar   ke-suo-ni-ya-zhi-zhu 网友的相关建议: 
      

别说人类帝国这种终极魔怔法西斯政权了,就连钛帝国这种粉丝滤镜下能够达到所谓鸡萎官方“钦定”的“希望”势力放很多作品里都是令人咋舌,不折不扣的反派。

随便列几个例子:

趁人之危利用他人的信任和善良以洽谈贸易之名来到其他势力地盘上,暗地里提前好几个月就准备好了一整支足以吞并该地的侵略大军。当然粉丝滤镜下这叫做“先手准备”。

Koudelkar felt Lortuen’s words tugging at his mind, and he turned back to Aun’rai. “My military advisors tell me you have other soldiers on Pavonis, is this true?” The tau smiled, or at least that was what Koudelkar assumed the movement of its features signified. “We do have some… lightly armed reconnaissance troops on Pavonis, yes. Purely as a precaution, you understand? Given your society’s intolerance of other species, I felt it was prudent to ensure that Pavonis was ready for my arrival.” “I am not sure I am comfortable with your armed forces on my world,” said Koudelkar as a powerful feeling of revulsion and anger began taking shape within him.

总督:我说以太啊,你是不是有驻扎部队在我的星球上。

以太:没,没有呀,不过是一支轻装侦察部队而已,考虑到你们种族的敌意,你应该能够理解吧。

两章后:

The first attack came at Praxedes in a blaze of light, and the first warning the port city’s defenders had was the booming metallic cough of shells detonating above them. Sentries turned their gazes upwards, Hydra flak tanks swivelled their quadmounted cannons to the heavens, and, a moment later, the warm glow of the sun was eclipsed by a sky-wide explosion of incandescent fire. Targeting auspex fused and shorted out, retinas were irreparably damaged, and delicate surveyor gear was instantly obliterated. Where some enemies of the Imperium attacked under the cover of darkness, the tau came in the searing glare of a thousand stars. A host of wedge-shaped craft flew in from the western ocean in the wake of the blinding detonation. Launched from floating platforms, brought to the surface in secret and concealed with alien technologies, they had awaited the execute order from El’esaven for many months. Caught unawares and blinded by the blazing skies, the air defences of the coastal city had no time to engage the attacking aircraft. The first wave began their attack runs as alert sirens roused the majority of Lance Command’s Guardsmen from their bunks.

好一支等待命令数月的“轻装侦察部队”某人可以出来洗地了

谈判破裂之前使用“先进”隐身战斗服渗透入居民区对崇尚和平的宗教场所展开屠杀毁灭对方信仰。

Gaetan remembered the flames and the screams. He remembered the shimmering invisible forms of the daemons that ran riot through the Templum Fabricae. Most of all, he remembered the fire of the terrible weapons mounted on their arms. No sooner had he seen them gathering, than they dropped from the iron girders of the chancel. Slivers of refracted light gave them a semblance of form: broad, hunched and heavy enough to smash the marble slabs of the nave as they landed. Gaetan had blinked furiously until their shapes finally resolved, and he saw the armoured daemons as they opened fire. Blazing tongues of fire ripped through the templum, and screams of panic and pain soon followed them. The unrelenting echoes of gunfire formed a brutal hymnal of death as the hundreds gathered in the Templum Fabricae sought to escape the deadly salvoes, running for the wide doors at the end of the nave or hurling themselves beneath the splintering pews. Escape was impossible as the invisible daemons moved through the templum with methodical remorselessness, walking streams of explosive shells through the panicked mass of fleeing worshippers. Braziers, lamps and candles were overturned in his congregation’s desperation to escape, and flames licked at the walls. The statue of the Emperor rocked under a series of impacts, and shards of burning anthracite fell from His splintering form. Furious rage built within Gaetan, and he swept his eviscerator from the altar. He could not tell how many daemons there were, but he had to fight them, and he hurled himself at the nearest blurred outline. “In the Emperor’s name, I smite thee hip and thigh!” he screamed, bringing the monstrous eviscerator down on the daemon’s head. Adamantine teeth ripped into the daemon in a flaring shower of sparks, hydraulic fluids and spraying blood. It fell to the ground, and, as it did so, the veil of illusion that kept its repulsive form concealed was dispelled. Its cloven body was armoured in olive-green plates, its bulbous, elongated head like the carapace of some hideous insect. This was no daemon; this was some form of tau warrior, a trespasser and defiler of this holy place. Captain Ventris had been right after all, the warriors of the tau were on Pavonis, and they sought to tear the heart of its faith from its people.

真的很好奇某人会怎么洗袭击鸽派帝国人教堂这段。

谈判破裂后图穷匕见呼叫事先准备好的侵略部队对当地守军展开偷袭,致使守军损失惨重难以展开反击。当然粉丝滤镜下这叫做“战术与谋略”。

Twenty-five Barracuda air-superiority fighters of the Burning Star Hunter Coalition screamed over the airfields of Praxedes with their chin-mounted cannons blazing. It was the largest port facility on Pavonis, and the majority of its structures were built on the slopes of an ancient crater that was now open on its western edge to the vast expanse of the cold black ocean. Its sprawling landing fields and jibplatforms jutted out to sea like branches of a silver tree stripped of its leaves. Some of these jibs were laden with freighter craft and bulk-lifters used to ferry cargo to orbiting mass conveyors, but many more were empty. Precious few of the city’s flyers were combat aircraft, and those few that were able to get airborne were blown out of the sky within minutes of the first warning. Explosions mushroomed skywards as fuel bays were hit, and stuttering pulses of light stitched across the vast hangars and container lines of the port. Panic gripped the city. Lance Command was based in a fortified enclosure on the side of the docks, and interceptor guns began opening fire as the Barracuda came in for another pass. Blazing tracer fire lit the sky, and a few tau aircraft tumbled downwards, torn in two, or their engines blown off by the barrage from below. No sooner had the tanks opened fire than invisible beams of laser light from teams of spotters concealed on the bluffs overlooking the city were painting their flanks. Shoals of missiles detached from the wings of the surviving aircraft, and, like hunting hounds with the scent of blood, they roared towards the Imperial guns. Within moments, Lance Command was a scene of carnage as no fewer than four missiles slammed into the topside of each of its six anti-aircraft batteries.

Hundreds of Lavrentian Guardsmen died in the opening moments of the attack, shredded by shrapnel from the exploding missiles or crushed to death as their base collapsed around them. Hundreds more were killed as a wave of olive-coloured battlesuits dropped from the sky on streaking plumes of jet fire. Cycling cannons strafed the esplanades and eye-wateringly bright bolts of blue fire exploded among knots of panicked soldiers.

开战后往医院投弹+对伤员补枪。当然粉丝滤镜下这叫做“个别案例”

Bright light flashed behind the windows, and they blew out in a storm of whirling fragments. Hot winds of explosions billowed into the Hospice, and Gaetan screamed as flying shards of glass sliced his face. Fragments lodged in his skull, but the pain only served to fuel his anger and strength. Hate swelled in his breast as fighting sounded from somewhere within the walls of the Hospice. The screams of wounded men and women echoed through the ward, but Gaetan paid them no mind. Another explosion sounded nearby, and the great doors to the ward were smashed asunder. Flames billowed from the chamber beyond, and he finally understood what was happening. The daemon creatures had come to finish him off.

上面这段一定是邪恶的帝国壬拿石化巨蜥在轰炸自己医院呢。

下面有个回答提到新纳粹魔怔人佩戴有德国国防军第十三装甲师元素的标志出席锤比赛,我去维基上查了查这支部队的档案,发现这支部队和上文入侵的渔民部队真是钛像了。杀平民,杀牧师,袭击医护相关人员和设施全都包揽了

In the invasion ofPoland, the division used civilians as human shieldsin the battle with the retreating PolishPrusy Armyand on September 8, 1939 attacked a medical column marked with theRed Crosssigns nearOdrzywół.[6]A day later, soldiers from the division took part in the revenge killing of 11 civilians and two Polish priests including Dean Stanisław Klimecki in the nearby town ofDrzewicain retaliation for their own military losses. Killings have also been reported in nearby settlements ofGielniów,Kamienna Wola,Klwów,Ossa,Przysucha,Potok,RozwadyandZarzęcin.




统治阶层利用神必魔法行方便,无视底层人民利益在灾难来临前并按照阶级有选择通知上流社会人士“让领导先走”。然后那些“上流社会人士”也得为更加平等的最终统治阶层作出牺牲。当然这一切都是为了大大的好。

统治阶层利用神必魔法直接让异见和不服从管教者自杀。隔壁魔怔法西斯帝国创建者兼最强灵能者表示钛强了当年我统一魔怔耻球时咋没这么做呢。

不同阶级人之间不允许工作领域互通,你开机器人的不许搞发明修车,修了要食雪(

这放各路二次元作品里已经够可怕了吧 然后鸡萎官方钦定的人类帝国比这还要黑上百倍,是钦定“最为血腥残忍的政权”。

毕竟那篇赶制出来的免责声明开头是咋说的?

战锤40k宇宙里没有好人。一个都没有,尤其是人类帝国。”而某些人只特别注意到了最后一句,然后满心欢喜的表示帝国就是坏东西,完全无视了前面的“40k宇宙没有好人”“一个都没有”。人类帝国因为着墨最多,自然目标最大,踩雷也最多。对帝国相关作品的描述里,毫不夸张的说,在每行字你都能找到一条踩上世界上某些地方红线的描述,从描写血腥暴力到鼓吹仇恨可以说无所不包。但难道说这就给其他势力漂白+免死金牌了?除去作为反派中的反派的混沌外,究竟是99%成员连奴隶都不如,屠戮一切生者的太空亡灵没那么坏了还是只能选择加入或被征服的猴版30k人类帝国的渔民成好人了?又或者90%对人类虎视眈眈准备随时趁虚而入的其他异形“不算坏人”了?

40k宇宙就是世间少有的全员恶人势力大乱斗的地狱世界,你哪怕拿个相对没那么坏的路人异形太空鼠人跑去其他世界也是“天灾”级别的恐怖势力。而作为主角的史上最邪最恶法西斯人类帝国很荣幸的担当了这个艹蛋宇宙中的人类势力代表,有幸与这群混蛋们一搏高下。


user avatar   wang-chuan-yu-jun-95 网友的相关建议: 
      

既然提到p社玩家,那就用群星来描述吧。

黄金时代人类:

银河霸主,与灵族半分天下,科学唯物,而且可以猜测,是个平等思潮国家。

亲外排外不好说,估计还是排外……战锤宇宙就是这样个样子,大家都认定非我族类其心必异。

30k人类:

极度威权,军国,排外的国家。

尽管帝皇教导人民要唯物科学,但他自己却在皇宫偷偷搞灵能网道。

但那时候的帝国对自己人还是不错的,一方面保护了他们的安全,另一方面又重塑了人类的精神,从黑暗年代的颓废里恢复了过来,捡回了科学和进取精神。

40k帝国:

极端威权,极端军国,极端排外,极端唯心。

基本是个走火入魔,吃枣药丸的状态。

对异形残忍,对自己人也残忍。

残忍到有专门的解剖工厂,把奴隶,机仆,克隆人,还有自愿者(没错,真有自愿的狂信徒),拆筋扒骨,做成延寿药,尸体淀粉做成干粮发给大头。

民众陷入愚昧,狂热,盲目之中。


但我还是要说,论屑,40k帝国还是比不上第四天灾。

他们用旋风鱼雷搞全球大屠杀。

我们用嘴。

你们称之为残忍,而我们称之为美味。


帝国解决失业人口:改成机仆或者送去解剖。

第四天灾解决失业:将失业者全部移民到一颗星球上,放附庸,然后宣战,然后中子灭杀。

这才叫高效。


user avatar   a-fu-le-er-zhi-hui-tai 网友的相关建议: 
      

P社玩家见了都自愧不如的那种。

U团漫画卡加尔个人刊物里:

五百世界,蓝爷爷建立的第二帝国(划去),整个帝国相对来说最和平稳定的地区,在大裂痕撕裂帝国之前相对和平的年份,人均寿命不足30,但就是这三十岁的人均寿命,已经是U团值得夸耀的“政绩”了。

星际战士从10-12岁开始征兵,没错,他们征儿童兵,而且从征兵那一刻开始各战团都有点独特的野蛮的斯巴达仪式对这些新兵儿童进行筛选,许多作品里表现的内容都是把这些手无寸铁的十岁儿童丢给荒野上的异形野兽,然后把活下来的接走这种样子。帝国的其他武装部门例如星界军也有征儿童兵的情况。

这比“榨干他们”还过份了。


user avatar   xiao-yao-zi-zai-yun 网友的相关建议: 
      

英雄指挥人们去讨伐恶龙,人们不畏恶龙奋力向前,可英雄却在人们背后架起了冒蓝火的加特林。

可以把我私底下当傻子,但你不能明着面骂我是笨蛋,还硬要告诉我不把鹿当马是因为我无知。

得了吧,人民日报,央视新闻,现在的经济日报,九成九的媒体都是为了那一小部分人群服务,它们需要什么就报道什么。

很多人把这些官媒当作真知,却不知人家把他们当枪使,需要的时候大力呼吁,不需要的时候一脚踹开。而人们需要它们的时候,就开始不听,不闻,不理了。

这次怎么拿到手机的,看过直播或者录播的应该都清楚,如果说不是拼夕夕紧急公关,打死我都不信。

几百人或者几万人砍都不重要,重要的是国内屈指可数的大媒体罔顾事实,在一个充满诱导欺骗的流氓app遇见了一丁点质疑,它就连忙跳出来开始洗。

恶心啊!啊呸呸呸呸呸!


user avatar   catspace 网友的相关建议: 
      

一:朱棣起兵的时候是39岁,这是一个人智力体力和阅历的综合巅峰。吴三桂起兵的时候已经61了,古来人过五十,不称夭寿,61岁在当时已经是绝对高龄了,什么时候突然死了都不稀奇,所以朱棣的时间优势要比吴三桂大得多。

如果朱棣也是在61岁起兵,按照历史上他64岁驾鹤的时间来算的话,可能会刚刚摸到胜利的门槛就嗝屁,如果真的这样的话,他在历史上可能会作为明朝最大的笑话和杯具角色而存在。

二:“朱棣能想到的唯一优势大概就是地理条件,他是自北向南出兵,天生占了便宜”朱棣的优势不仅仅是由北往南,更重要的是:北京和南京之间的距离还远小于北京和昆明之间的距离,所以对于康熙来说,他的战略纵深远大于倒霉蛋朱允炆,可以用空间换时间,他换得起。

就像明朝历史上第二大的藩王叛乱事件宁王叛乱,如果没有王阳明力挽狂澜,明朝历史可能也会是真的一发不可收拾,为什么?就是因为南昌到南京之间距离太短,宁王一鼓作气可能真的就会吃掉明朝的第二政治中心。


user avatar   zhu-yun-yi-44 网友的相关建议: 
      

我努力工作,年收入突破百万。我楼下小卖部老板眼红了。

他说他每天7点开店,晚上10点关店,工作时间比我长,收入却比我低,这不公平。为此,他甚至发展出了一套小卖部老板人权理论,要求将卖给我的可乐从一瓶2块钱涨到100块钱。

他说之前他受太多委屈了,等他觉得委屈弥补回来了,他会把价钱降到一瓶4块钱的。但想像原来一样2块钱一瓶那是永远不可能的。

我默默想了一下,走多一百米,用2块钱在另一家店买了一瓶可乐。

这件事被小卖部老板知道了,他生气了,他跑去骂另一家小卖部老板,骂他不尊重小卖部老板人权理论,并且在我家楼下贴大字报隐晦地骂我。

你说我为啥讨厌他?

我不只讨厌他,我甚至想报警呢。可惜警察说这事他们管不了。

……

这件事还有后续。

后来,小卖部老板人权组织找到了我,跟我说我楼下的小卖部老板的小卖部老板人权理论不是正宗的,他们才是正宗的。

我说,那你们的是怎么样的?

他们说,我们卖3块。




  

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